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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:49 pm 
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When we take out buggies with us, we use a toy hauler camper trailer. The campgrounds don't always have direct access to riding areas and I do not want to break up camp each time we go out, so I have set up a buggy train that allows me to triple tow two buggies behind my truck on all four wheels.

The Yerf-Dog was easy to set up with a tow bar to the lower shock mounts, but the Joyner has no straight edges up front to mount the bar and clear the nose. I found I could mount a 3' piece of angle iron between the frame and winch and secure it to the upper a-arm bolts to give me the mounting point I needed. There is a lot of stress put on this angle, so you need a minimum of 1/4" thick stock. I could not find 1-1/2" angle that was that thick, so I ran a second piece of angle inside the first that is 1-1/4". Both angle pieces I am using are 3/16", so I have 3/8" of material bolted together with grade 8 hardware.


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how far do you tow these? Is there a max speed you can go, like 40-45, without causing any damage to bearings, races, clutches, belts or anything?



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I stay under 35 mph and less than 15 miles total towing. Typically the campgrounds are within 5 miles of the ORV access and are accessed by secondary roads.

The Yerf's GY6 engine does not engage since nothing is spinning beyond the clutch bell. The clutch, belt, variator and engine do not move. I keep the the duration and speed down to prevent bearing heat up and have never had a problem with either Yerf.

The Joyner 650SS is a manual transmission, so putting it in neutral will free the rest of the drive train. I really don't worry about the bearings on this buggy, but the tires are not highway rated.

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cooooooool


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how do you get the joyner to turn

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ageekwithabuggy wrote:
how do you get the joyner to turn

As long as the steering is not locked, the front wheels will track which ever way force is applied to the frame. This is why it is critical to to find or create strong mount points for the tow bar.

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aha so is it the same way on the yerf

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PG; Vvvvery nice !!! Looks great, stonng, & well layed out.... you such a maticulous craftman !! So you obviously ready for the Memorial Day Bash at Moses Lake
See you Fri. Tj insists I bring his dirt bike (he gonna wear his Leatte neck brace), probaboly learn a bit about riding in the deep sand... GSR 150 all tuned up ready to go, Joyner cant wait !! & GSR 250 (struts still being fabricated) but will be ready Mon.

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It's time to start working on 4-wheel towing for the SandViper. It does not have an easy attachment point on either end, so Harbor Freight specials will get my project going...


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another addition to the buggy train :D

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 Post subject: Re: 4-wheel (flat) towing
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Very cool,sure takes the hum-drum out of using a trailer!

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It's not a long distance or high speed solution, but it does allow you to camp away from the ORV grounds and not have go through loading and unloading routines (especially if you have toy hauler).

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 Post subject: Re: 4-wheel (flat) towing
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Only issue I could see is if something major breaks while you're riding.
But then you're not too far from camp, so it's probably OK.

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edroden wrote:
Only issue I could see is if something major breaks while you're riding.
But then you're not too far from camp, so it's probably OK.


have you not ever seen any of his other pictures.he packs enough stuff on the buggys to handle about any problem. :)
also he has his wife with him to push, if needed :shock: :lol:

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its the same here in NC at the state parks you can only have a licensed vehicle to get to the trail head. very inconvenient...

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have you not ever seen any of his other pictures.he packs enough stuff on the buggys to handle about any problem.
also he has his wife with him to push, if needed

uhh huh !!! its a very functional settup & takes him far less time than I can get the rigs loaded bac up on the trailer at the end of the day (he garners alot of double take, look back with this flat tow settup, everbody wants to check it out) ...

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I've been ponering something similar lol. I don't have a trailer, but towing a vehicle in Texas is perfectly fine. I was going to set it up so that the front end is just off the ground, and swap on some road tires and wheels on the back. Cheap little trailer wheels fit the rear of my buggy and are safe for highway speeds. Only have to pop the chain off and make damn sure my bearings are properly lubed up haha

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Replace your Chinese axle bearings with quality ones otherwise I guarantee a failure at the worst time. Did you see the tow bar they sell in Europe that lifts the front?

http://www.onroadbuggies.co.uk/?Towing

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 Post subject: Re: 4-wheel (flat) towing
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Slcik...that's about what I'd be doing haha.

Bearings...axle and front...are already in the "I'm looking for" list.

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