If Daniel is right about the travel limits of the current design and if Sean does have an improved/reinforced/hardened chrome, etc, etc, there is still a problem with the design not offering the travel that should be available. It almost sounded like Team-Moto engineered a physical stop to prevent stress on the CVs. This doesn't make a sense to me. Why limit travel because there is a problem with the design of the CVs? Why not redesign the CVs so they are complimentary to off-road use.

It is as if (likely) they took a Chinese car, removed the engine and tranny and put it in a buggy frame, but big coil-over shocks on it and said it has 10" of travel. The result, we have an underpowered motor, inappropriately geared tranny and a suspension that has been redrawn to protect inadequate CVs, which in effect has hampered the off-road capability of the buggy.

That is the thing that irks me about this buggy. The design seems to be OK and frame strong enough but all the stuff attached to it to make it go are not even close to being off-road worthy (Well, maybe the shocks).

WOW, had to get that off my chest. I didn't say anything new and probably shoulda put a few more periods in there to reduce sentence run-on but I trust you all won't tell my 5ht grade English teacher on me.

Soc

SoCrates,

That exactly what they did.



True dat!


Ok, so James got back with me and said

"I used the whole hubs and everything. I had to change the ends that go to the tranny.I think it was a 700cc four wheeler."

He only had the rear end of the Polaris 700cc ATV, and he basically converted the rear hubs, wheels, and cv driveline to work on the buggy.
So unless you just have a blown or extra ATV sittin around that you wanna tear apart too use for parts on yer buggy, its not a cost effective option, not for me anyway.
I think it can be done for about $200 for each side.


Thanks for the info James.


Here is a couple of web pages I have bookmarked that the VW guys around here use to get parts.

Dan's is the page I was looking at for a possible axle replacement and maybe a flange conversion for the right price

http://www.dansperformanceparts.com/bug ... %20IRS.htm

Big Bucks carries OE and aftermarket cv's and shafts for ATV's if we can find one that are easily compatible

http://www.bigbuckatvproducts.com/Big%2 ... 20menu.htm



Daniel

Sean I just ordered your 1000 cc buggy and am wondering if it has the same axle and design. Am I going to need to put the limit straps i hear so much about? Is there an upgraded needed. Also I ve been looking on your site for upgrades and parts for the 800/1000 buggy and all im finding is vw stuff. Am i looking in the wrong spot or can i call someone for these? please help thanks.

P.S. glad to see your back I thought the ban was horse s??t.

Vanet,

Here is a thread that can answer yer ?'s:
http://www.buggynews.com/viewtopic.php?t=6774&start=0

First page 3rd question

Quote from Sean



Upgrading the Cv joints and axle shafts on the larger cc Chinese buggies is what we are discussing here. They all seem to use the same parts and have the same problems. Which is they only last a few hours.

Hope that helps

Daniel

I have a stupid question. If the tranny and engine that we use come out of a car, how come we have trouble pulling 3rd gear and can't pull 4th gear? I think our buggies are lighter than a car. How do they drive these cars on the street?

Folks seem be having good luck with the limit straps. What remains to be seen is what happens when you have the extra horsepower that the 1000cc puts out attached to these cv's

-S

Really?

The 800's must have a much higher final gear ratio than my 650.

Granted 3rd and 4th doesnt get used much on mine offroad unless its nice and flat for a long stretch. Ive shifted into 4th on the hardball just too see what she will do and after 50+mph things get a bit scary to say the least, but its still pulling in 4th at those speeds. Shifting from second to 3rd with the pedal down has a nice acceleration feel, not whiplash inducing, but speedy all the same. I have no real use for the speed though, and wish it were geared much, much lower.
I think in one of the vids I posted Im going up a long hill at a pretty good clip in 3rd.
Most of my troubles at speed are from the front end, having bad bump steer and being too stiff and light, when I get time to cut off the front suspension and make some unequal length A-arms I will get some top speed numbers, and shoot more video.
The Chinese car Im told is like a Ford Festiva or smaller.

Daniel

the axels were direct replacement for our axels but thicker and more HD than the originals.

mike

Hey lafinfullofgas,
This is a constructive and helpfull topic, as alot of people are having problems with cv-joints and axles. Why do you have to keep stirring the sh_t? Read every response in this topic and yours is the only one that has nothing to do with the topic and is completely meaningless. Do you have anything better to do than biatch! Go ride or something. As for the mods what about controlling useless verbage. It would make for a better forum. There are people with alot of information that we need, (not only Sean) lets not drive them off. Steve

hey i met someone who has a joyner 800 cc with a turbo that has a pipe, intake, and some other mods. he has been tearing this thing up for 8 months twice a month at some dunes near phx and down in rocky point and his axles seem to be holding up fine. are the axles from john different than the other 800cc machines and if so can they be modified to work on the others.