CONGRATS ERIC-you won't be dissappointed. Yes other buggies are faster, yes other buggies turn better, but the joyner is the Cadillac of buggies right know, and will be till the other buggies catch up suspension wise. And the Joyner Co. is not dumb-when they see the competition coming, they will take the next step to stay ahead of the competition. Carter may be trying to fill a void, but Joyner created the void. Personally I rarely stick my Joyner in High. If high range was all it had, I probably wouldn't own it for the terrain I ride. I have ridden other big 250's with high range only and their performance is marginal at best in the terrain we ride-you have to hit everything wide open. But with the addition of low range, all of a sudden you have something that you can crawl with. I love speed, but it is too cool how many places I have taken the Joyner at slow speeds and really watched the buggy work to get through/around/over an obstacle. I think we should gear our buggies way down and start a rock crawling league.

Hey Eric I saw a post the other day about different size front sprockets for Joyners. I think I would like to decrease my front sprocket and go to taller tires. Will you be able to get those sprockets?

Have you guys seen the new Rzr 170 for kids?

Oh, I definitely didn't say I was convinced Glade, I think it is possible off the line, due to weight...but if it is both low and top end...maybe you should sell GT150s

ageekwithabuggy, when you go out can you get some video, it would be great to see a side by side race between the 250 and 300.

Specs from websites:
150 GT
LWH = 87x54x56
wgt = 415
250 Joyner
LWH = 98x60x57
wgt = 819

We are talking a 400 lb difference.

I'm not trying to call you out here Tom, but the GT/Joyner statement is a pretty big claim, and before I purchase a buggy (which I'm in the market currently) it would be great if I can get some clarification from you if possible. Not trying to make a big fiasco, but from my memory...Blisters Hammerhead 150 (which was modded to the gills) would beat his Blade 250 XT when it was stock but once he tweaked the XT the hammerhead got hammered. So my point is if the Joyner (fully modded) is getting crushed by the Hammerhead 150....then Joyner is off my list. So I guess what I'm saying is...need a little help with some more details

NOTE: If this post sounds sarcastic, rude, or ticks you off in any way...take a deep breath because it completely was not meant too. It's hard to show see emotion with a keyboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JfUKRAJDXM&feature=related

Any Joyner 250 owners out there able to do that?

I'm just giving the Joyner guys a hard time. They've pretty much overrun this place in the past few months and someone has to keep 'em humble.

In all seriousness, there's a reason Joyner has overrun this forum. They're buggies are nice. As far as what's best..well, that's subjective. The GTR has the best engine of any small buggy. The Joyner has the best suspension and look. Both are rock solid machines. Two of us here have had our GTRs flipped or rolled. One guy actually went end over end and the only damage he had was a small bend on the cargo rack. Our GTR was flipped onto it's side at high speed and both kids walked away unhurt and the buggy only got a few scratches on it.

I didn't get involved in this thread to bash Joyner. I like Joyner. What I DIDN'T like was Vanet calling the GTR second rate....especially since he had never even seen or driven one. It is no harder to get service or parts for any Carter buggy than it is for a Joyner. And the GTR is no less reliable a buggy. That was the only point I wanted to make on this subject and I believe others here have backed me up on that.

And..me and Geek will get plenty of side by side action video for all of you this weekend. It's all about fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVwrZEQ ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVXdlGzW ... re=related

Just fillin' the void...

Pete maybe I need to tune my buggie like yours, I'm not close to 55mph, I've never tested longer that 2/10 of a mile, and 42mph was what I reached. That was stock, and my mods are for accel, and climbing. I think the Joyner is a little underpowered, but the other buggies are UNDER BUILT. Tom says it's the toughest buggie he's seen. So if your really off roading, wouldn't you want the toughest buggy, 'cause I'll tell you what...in the toughest conditions I bet I got the fastest 250 buggy.

Hey Picchi-
I'm glad your moving to TN. We love good long conversation around here. I think we're describing two different types of power. Set a 150 and 250 side by side on flat ground and I say any 150 has a good chance of winning because of the weight/HP ratio. But put the same two vehicles at the base of a hill from a standing start and the torque of the larger motor will pull through. It's like comparing the power band of a motocross bike vs. an enduro bike. THe 250's have a lot wider power band, which makes them more ridable in our terrain. So then it comes down to which buggy has the best combination of motor and suspension. Stock, Joyner wins the suspension contest.

I also have a 150 solid shaft JEHM (re-labeled TJ Powersports) buggy that my son drives. It's squirelly under acceleration, turns on a dime, and is a blast to ride. But it beats you to death. The strut set up and s***y shocks that are on most buggies just can't provide enough travel that's needed to provide a good ride.

Firebird that's some nice video. now If you want to impress me you need to let Dave from awesomebuggiy take the puppy to China and put it through the Phoenix 300 torture test, you know the one where he goes that hurt..man that really hurt. I live in the valley of Las Vegas, NV (dry desert) we used that kind of dirt for planting gardens. Nobody has dirt like that in their yard, that they didn't buy, we get it trucked in CA, UT..ect. ..got me watching some guy playing at the beach shame on you. All kidding aside if I lived in a place with soft dirt, mud, snow I would consider one of those yard buggies.

Greg

I really wish someone would get one of those Phoenix 300s on here. Those are some cool looking buggies.

Hey, we ride the same terrain out here as you do in Vegas. Head west and it's the same desert all the way to Riverside. You gott aadmit, tho. That kid was putting that buggy thru its paces.

It's my understanding that Joyner is rolling out a "lightened up" 250 model for '09. They did that with the 800 and 1100 already, with aluminum panels and a locking trunk on the wing. Managed to drop over 250 lbs. Now THAT would make the 250 rock!

yes they did add the aluminum floor, side panels and a storage compartment in the wing. I will be getting one of those in mid january,