Joyner 250 versus Carter 300 is a subject I've been reading with interest as they are on my short list for a new buggy for the family,but there are two other's that are on my short list and I cannot seem to find any information about these other buggy's they are a
Any information would be appreciated, I am 6'2" tall and my significant other is 5'8" tall and this will be for both of us to ride together so it needs to be roomy and powerful enough to carry us both on trail rides. I am the heavier one but combined we are about 425 pounds,of critical importance is a comfortable suspension or one that can be made to be comfortable and soft as my significant other has a medical condition that prevents her from being bounced around too much so that her condition does not worsen. She does enjoy riding in the yerf dog but we need something a little roomier with a better suspension so an independent rear suspension is mandatory and as I am a man that cares very much about my significant other comfort is going to be a major deciding factor.I probably won't make the purchase until the springtime and God willing the future situation with the economy will allow me to be able to purchase this for my family.
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Picchi wrote:
doonrunr wrote:
Sorry.....not convinced......
Glade
Oh, I definitely didn't say I was convinced Glade, I think it is possible off the line, due to weight...but if it is both low and top end...maybe you should sell GT150s
ageekwithabuggy, when you go out can you get some video, it would be great to see a side by side race between the 250 and 300.
I'm not trying to call you out here Tom, but the GT/Joyner statement is a pretty big claim, and before I purchase a buggy (which I'm in the market currently) it would be great if I can get some clarification from you if possible. Not trying to make a big fiasco, but from my memory...Blisters Hammerhead 150 (which was modded to the gills) would beat his Blade 250 XT when it was stock but once he tweaked the XT the hammerhead got hammered. So my point is if the Joyner (fully modded) is getting crushed by the Hammerhead 150....then Joyner is off my list. So I guess what I'm saying is...need a little help with some more details
NOTE: If this post sounds sarcastic, rude, or ticks you off in any way...take a deep breath because it completely was not meant too. It's hard to show see emotion with a keyboard.
The GT150 does have a couple mods, I should have mentioned that. It has a set of 11 gram sliders and the redneck intake kit with a rejet. Stock clutch and variator. They are racing on a dirt oval and it is a combination of wide turning and can't get out of the corners fast enough. If they ran on a drag strip, I think the GT would smoke the Joyner for about 100' or so then the joyner would overtake him. I want to say that I am NOT bad mouthing Joyner. I like their quality but I have yet to see a 250 that could get "air", unless you drove it off a cliff! (Not that you should be getting air)
If you ran it in lo, I don't think you could get the speed up high enough to keep up with the GT over distance. However, if I wanted a buggy for the kids that will last longer than any other, I'd get a Joyner 250. There are pro's and con's to every buggy. The GT is a rattle trap and doesn't have the side roll bar to keep your head from hitting the dirt in a rollover. I do think its the fastest 150 out of the box but dealing with TJ can be a real pain too! The Joyner is the coolest looking buggy around in its class. Take a sawz-all to it and I think the speed would improve! Like I said before, I know it sounds like I dislike Joyner but to the contrary. As you can see from the specs put up, you're talking about a 400lb diff in weight between them. Not a quality issue at all. I only sell buggies that won't kill me on warranty labor. Hammerhead, Joyner, Carter and maybe JCLUSA after we test them. The cheap dirty diaper will put you out of business and we haven't mentioned them here. Thats for another thread!
I want to say that I am NOT bad mouthing Joyner. I like their quality but I have yet to see a 250 that could get "air", unless you drove it off a cliff! (Not that you should be getting air)
I've got a pic of eggyhed's old Joyner (now belongs to Goose67) getting about a foot of air, all four tires in the air, coming up out of a small jump. I'll try and find it.
I like the Joyner's too, but for my riding, it doesn't work. If it was lighter and not quite as wide, then I'd be all over it.
Oh, I definitely didn't say I was convinced Glade, I think it is possible off the line, due to weight...but if it is both low and top end...maybe you should sell GT150s
ageekwithabuggy, when you go out can you get some video, it would be great to see a side by side race between the 250 and 300.
I'm not trying to call you out here Tom, but the GT/Joyner statement is a pretty big claim, and before I purchase a buggy (which I'm in the market currently) it would be great if I can get some clarification from you if possible. Not trying to make a big fiasco, but from my memory...Blisters Hammerhead 150 (which was modded to the gills) would beat his Blade 250 XT when it was stock but once he tweaked the XT the hammerhead got hammered. So my point is if the Joyner (fully modded) is getting crushed by the Hammerhead 150....then Joyner is off my list. So I guess what I'm saying is...need a little help with some more details
NOTE: If this post sounds sarcastic, rude, or ticks you off in any way...take a deep breath because it completely was not meant too. It's hard to show see emotion with a keyboard.
The GT150 does have a couple mods, I should have mentioned that. It has a set of 11 gram sliders and the redneck intake kit with a rejet. Stock clutch and variator. They are racing on a dirt oval and it is a combination of wide turning and can't get out of the corners fast enough. If they ran on a drag strip, I think the GT would smoke the Joyner for about 100' or so then the joyner would overtake him. I want to say that I am NOT bad mouthing Joyner. I like their quality but I have yet to see a 250 that could get "air", unless you drove it off a cliff! (Not that you should be getting air)
If you ran it in lo, I don't think you could get the speed up high enough to keep up with the GT over distance. However, if I wanted a buggy for the kids that will last longer than any other, I'd get a Joyner 250. There are pro's and con's to every buggy. The GT is a rattle trap and doesn't have the side roll bar to keep your head from hitting the dirt in a rollover. I do think its the fastest 150 out of the box but dealing with TJ can be a real pain too! The Joyner is the coolest looking buggy around in its class. Take a sawz-all to it and I think the speed would improve! Like I said before, I know it sounds like I dislike Joyner but to the contrary. As you can see from the specs put up, you're talking about a 400lb diff in weight between them. Not a quality issue at all. I only sell buggies that won't kill me on warranty labor. Hammerhead, Joyner, Carter and maybe JCLUSA after we test them. The cheap dirty diaper will put you out of business and we haven't mentioned them here. Thats for another thread!
That looks like 8 feet of air, any chance that was a picture of eggy testing out the 550 prior to installing in the single seater 05 Blade SX-550 Suzuki? LOL....
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A couple of additional items I did not put in my comparison of the SandViper and GTR earlier:
1. The stock Carter tires and rims are superior to Joyner. I think all 250's should be geared and designed for 25" tires on all four corners.
2. Until the 2007 models of the SandViper, the GTR has a better instumentation. Now Carter need to step up with a better panel that is water resistant.
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GMANLV wrote:
Pete maybe I need to tune my buggie like yours, I'm not close to 55mph, I've never tested longer that 2/10 of a mile, and 42mph was what I reached. That was stock, and my mods are for accel, and climbing. I think the Joyner is a little underpowered, but the other buggies are UNDER BUILT. Tom says it's the toughest buggie he's seen. So if your really off roading, wouldn't you want the toughest buggy, 'cause I'll tell you what...in the toughest conditions I bet I got the fastest 250 buggy.
1. I think you are too light on your sliders and limiting your top end. You will still have enough torque in low range. 2. Unless you are running a larger carburetor or modified exhaust, your jetting seems too rich. 3. You would be surprised how much drag you reduce by going with tall tires up front. 4. I am considering the Buggy Junkie 12t transmission sprocket mated to 25" rear tires, but there's no way I would run such a tall tire even with my stock 2008 gearing.
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rockrunner wrote:
...Personally I rarely stick my Joyner in High. If high range was all it had, I probably wouldn't own it for the terrain I ride. I have ridden other big 250's with high range only and their performance is marginal at best in the terrain we ride-you have to hit everything wide open. But with the addition of low range, all of a sudden you have something that you can crawl with. I love speed, but it is too cool how many places I have taken the Joyner at slow speeds and really watched the buggy work to get through/around/over an obstacle. I think we should gear our buggies way down and start a rock crawling league.
Hey Eric I saw a post the other day about different size front sprockets for Joyners. I think I would like to decrease my front sprocket and go to taller tires. Will you be able to get those sprockets?...
I think our riding styles and terrain are close - Too bad we are not closer.
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supersoxy wrote:
Here's the pic.
I stand corrected! Holy dirty diaper! I KNOW that hurt when he landed! I am amazed at the height of that buggy! Looks like it was shot out of a cannon! He had to have a heck of a running start to get that high or, he ended up on his roof! Nice pic there supersoxy! Here's a link to a video we did at one of our races this year, You can clearly see the Joyner struggling around the corners.
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