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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:12 am 
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I never was too thrilled with the Ford Model-A headlights that Joyner puts on it's buggies and like most people I believe that you can never have enough light at night, so I started looking into LED lighting.

The best headlight I could find is a 36 watt unit with 12x3 watt Cree XPG-R4 30 degree spots. This is the same light that motofool250r put on top of his buggy. I was able to verify that these were genuine Cree LED's and I'm telling you, they really spit some light.

I found a 120 watt 40 LED combo light bar with 24 - 60 degree floods and 16 - 30 degree spots. They claim that it has Cree LED's but I have not been able to verify. This bar is installed on the MV800 and a 180 watt 60 LED combo light bar is waiting for installation on the SV1100.

I ordered these directly from China on Ebay. The headlights cost a little less than $70 each and arrived in one week. The 120 watt light bar was $160.00 and the 180 watt bar was $220.00 - they took about 2 1/2 weeks to arrive. I'm impressed with these lights - they are solid, well built and appear to be durable at about 1/3 the price of the major brands. The best thing about them is DANG - these things are bright!

According to my incredibly accurate (?) 12 amp battery charger, the 120 watt bar draws 4 amps and the 180 watt bar draws 6 amps. I did not test the amps the headlights were pulling, but I would estimate it to be a little over 1 amp each.


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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:24 am 
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Very nice!!!!

So do you have part numbers?

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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Man I think i could drive at night with that set of lights.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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damn....nice 8)

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:53 am 
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Holy cow Jaxn I'm jealous!!

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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thats insane! makes the buggy look awesome too. do you have a link?

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:40 am 
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That is nice, very impressive. Unfortunately those of us with lesser buggys would not be able to run those for very long. They just don't have the charging system to support that much current draw.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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very nice, the buggy looks mean with them on it

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:04 am 
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Outstanding, on the next upgrade list :)

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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jump_my_buggie wrote:
Very nice!!!!

So do you have part numbers?

This is where I got the 36W headlights from
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300842633901?ss ... 1439.l2649
Either bid or use "Make Offer" to get the best price. Check out their store for light bars and other deals. I placed an order (2 more 36 watt headlights for the SV1100) on the 9th and just received them today (15th). They use DHL - fast!
http://stores.ebay.com/teammadegroup201 ... 7675.l2563

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That is nice, very impressive. Unfortunately those of us with lesser buggys would not be able to run those for very long. They just don't have the charging system to support that much current draw.

They should work fine. These headlights only pull about 1.1 amp each which is probably less than the stock headlights on most 150cc - 300cc buggies.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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Very nice Jaxn .... Are you going to replace the light bar rounds on the 1100 with an led bar too??? Having gone to 4 of the 8" led's they really light up the night.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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Jaxn wrote:
jump_my_buggie wrote:
Very nice!!!!

So do you have part numbers?

This is where I got the 36W headlights from
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300842633901?ss ... 1439.l2649
Either bid or use "Make Offer" to get the best price. Check out their store for light bars and other deals. I placed an order (2 more 36 watt headlights for the SV1100) on the 9th and just received them today (15th). They use DHL - fast!
http://stores.ebay.com/teammadegroup201 ... 7675.l2563

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That is nice, very impressive. Unfortunately those of us with lesser buggys would not be able to run those for very long. They just don't have the charging system to support that much current draw.

They should work fine. These headlights only pull about 1.1 amp each which is probably less than the stock headlights on most 150cc - 300cc buggies.


rich, to give you an idea, a stock 35w h/l bulb draws about 3.5 amps each and a 55w halogen bulb draws a little over 5 amps each so with that in mind you could run some serious LED lights and not use half the draw of an incondescant bulb.
those 2x7 lights are a pretty good deal for the output they have.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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i have a suggestion for the mods. since the LED lighting has become more and more popular with the buggy community, how about a spot on the main board so that everyone can look at all the different models and styles of LED lights that members are using and a link to where they purchased them. seems that e-bay has had the best offerings for the money but maybe there are more out there.
headlights, stop/tail/turn lights, marker lights, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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Dave, I understand watt draw I thnk anyway. 35 watt draw on an incondesant is the same on a LED, draw is draw. The difference is the illumination in lumins. So if a 35 watt incondesant draws 3+ amps the same wattage LED is going to draw the same amps. So unless I am all messed up on my electrical knowledge the 120 watt light at 12 volts is going to draw about 10 amps and the the 180 watt light is closer to 15 amps .The formula is watts divided by volts equals amps.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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you are correct in saying that draw is draw but there is a big difference between the LED and incandescents on the AMP draw. our buggies are limited to about 15 amps on an average so someone running a pair of 55 watt halogens will be pulling about 11 amps while as a pair of equivalent LED lights (about 1000-1200 lumen) will draw less than 4 amps.

* a 27w incandescent draws about 3 amps
* a 27w LED draws about 1.5 amps......and it much brighter.

if you would hold an incandescent light that draws 5 amps next to an LED light that draws the same amperage......saying it was a night and day difference would not even come close. the LED light that draws 5 amps could be seen from space......no poop. :D

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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studio5o wrote:
Very nice Jaxn .... Are you going to replace the light bar rounds on the 1100 with an led bar too??? Having gone to 4 of the 8" led's they really light up the night.

Yup. I already have a 180 watt combo bar and the 36 watt headlights came in yesterday. They'll get installed this weekend. I'll post pictures of the results. Do you have pictures of your new lights?
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Dave, I understand watt draw I thnk anyway. 35 watt draw on an incondesant is the same on a LED, draw is draw. The difference is the illumination in lumins. So if a 35 watt incondesant draws 3+ amps the same wattage LED is going to draw the same amps. So unless I am all messed up on my electrical knowledge the 120 watt light at 12 volts is going to draw about 10 amps and the the 180 watt light is closer to 15 amps .The formula is watts divided by volts equals amps.

I was a little confused too, Rich. I know the formulas and when I hooked the 120watt light bar up to the meter I expected to see 10 amps. It showed 4 amps. I think the discrepancy is what Dave pointed out - light emitting diodes work entirely different than filament based bulbs. Standard bulbs (incandescent) work in a very narrow voltage range. A 12 volt light at 10 volts is very dim and at 15 volts will probably burn out, but these 36 watt led's hold the same brightness from 9 to 32 volts. If you divide 36 watts by 32 volts (the top of the led voltage range) you get 1.1 amps, which is what I calculated earlier in this post.

Just out of curiosity, I checked one of the new 36watt lights with my charger and it read 1.0 amp. The stock headlight off of the MV800 drew 2.9 amps on the high beam and 2.8 amps on the low beam. The led headlight works out to be about 10 times the light for 1/3 the amps.

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 Post subject: Re: LED Headlight Review
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I would hop all over those headlights Jaxn, but I need to buy tires for the wife's buggy first. I would like to upgrade shocks too, which is definitely not so cheap. Looking good over there buddy! Question is; when are you going to get better headlights for your CAR? Lol

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great write up Jaxn, thanks for sharing this.

Ive been afraid to deal with these overseas sellers (that deal product far cheaper than their stateside competition), Ive always wanted one of the 20" or so Led lite bars, but KC (for example) wants over a thousand bones for their equivilant, high lumen LED lite bars.

I cant give an educated comment over the watts/amp draws of the new LED's on the market, other than my personal experiences...

on my sons HH150 with stock charging system;
We added 2-3"x3" Rigid Industries, 4 diode, 15 watt LED's that put out 1300 lumens of light (which are incredibly brite); and also put an led third brake lite/marker/blinker bar, along with several low watt bling/accent lights & a large emerg strobe...
Running all these, while also leaving the stock head & tail lites...
and have no charging (or battery draw down) issues, and he runs with all his lites on almost all the time, when he rides !!!

+ I love the fact that the LED's do not dim down at low rpms like the stock headlites do (and provides amazingly better visibility for his nite riding adventures)...

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Awesome lights, awesome camper, awesomebuggys, would be nice to see the awesome in person again :twisted: calcity-spring-gathering-april-26-29-t42836.html
great find on the lights Jaxn

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