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 Post subject: Toy Hauler - What should I get ?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Now that I have a diesel truck, I need to get a toy hauler so we can take weekend / overnight riding trips. What do you recommend?

I'm thinking something like this, the Fleetwood Scorpion:
http://spokane.craigslist.org/rvd/3318313995.html

The things I like about this trailer above: 1) cost, can be found for apx $8k 2) I like the popup in front with the rear loading deck, I've seen other like this where the buggys go in front and rear is where the popup is, I'd prefer it the way this Fleetwood setup is done. 3) No roof - The problem with MANY enclosed toyhaulers is the height is too low for RZR top to clear, you have to deflate or remove the tires to load/unload the rzr's.

The things I don't like about the above Fleetwood: 1) cargo bay is only 12' by 8'. In order to load 2 rzr's or 1 Joyner 650 + RZR I'm going to need about 8.5' by 24'. That's pretty much it on the negatives for my needs.

Q - You guys seen any similar setups as Fleetwood that are LARGER for storage ?? I've googled but only thing I see larger is homemade redneck rigs (many of which look totally awesome).

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a weekend warrior sounds like something you would be intrested in.

http://www.a1warriortrailers.com/

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How much?

I think those may be out of my price range.


This is more my price range: (Redneck Toyhauler)
http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/rvs/3282017478.html

LOL

Naa.. I'm trying to stay < $10 k

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thats so dumb just wait till your going 60 and boom it falls apart... idk you could get one for probably 14 k

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http://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/3397696043.html

http://houston.craigslist.org/rvd/3302059074.html

http://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/3241418203.html

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The problem is the rzr is 78" in height. Most of the enclosed toy haulers will NOT clear that from floor to their roof. Thanks for the ads, but none are <$10k, and none give the garage height inside, so I'm not sure if they'd work or not. Plus I doubt any of them would allow 2 rzr's OR 1 joyner + 1 rzr within the enclosed garage.

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1. Tent campers will limit the seasons you will want to go out. Although some have A/C and heat, none are insulated well for extreme heat or cold and all are poor for rain and wind. My folks had a Coleman tent camper that really was limited to dry weather. It will keep you dry, but the fabric will mold or get musty if not properly dried after a wet trip.

2. Few toy haulers are designed to carry two side by sides. If you go with an open deck, you can side load two on an 8' wide by 12' long deck. Enclosed space will require a minimum of 18' to park both inline. Today, it is hard to find toy haulers with open floor plans (no dedicated garage) since spouses typically have a disdain for fuel smells in the living space. Most toy haulers have 72-78" clearance due to the rear loft bed.

3. Prior to our truck camper and enclosed trailer combination, we had a Weekend Warrior. It had awesome capacities and space, but was poorly insulated (designed by SoCal people). The company is now gone, but Warrior Lifestyles is bringing back the most profitable models. We sold it because we out grew the space. Northwood Manufacturing makes a 4-season Desert Fox toy hauler but they scaled back their models with the economy and you will not find a large enough unit for what you want to carry.

4. If you want an enclosed unit, expect to be looking at 32' trailers or 38' fifth wheels to get sufficient garage space. Forget about towing a typical fifth wheel larger than 34' if your truck is SRW (Single Rear Wheel) or if it has fiberglass sides. We did find 38-40' fifth wheels that were aluminum chassis and frame that came in around 10,000 lbs empty that are based on car haulers or horse trailers with living quarters.

5. Although not legal in my state, have you considered double towing? You could go with short conventional fifth wheel that has a beefy frame followed by a 8x16 over the wheel flat bed that holds both vehicles plus grill or spare wheels. Steelbilly used this type of setup when he went to the national bash.

6. I've seen double decked/stacked toy trailers, but you may find the height to be too much when hauling two 6' tall vehicles.

7. Snow Tiger has a large flat bed with a tent trailer mounted to the front. This setup can be done with a gooseneck or bumper pull trailer chassis.

8. Take a look at my thread in search of my current setup to see if it helps you: want-a-new-hauler-t31590.html

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 Post subject: Re: Toy Hauler - What should I get ?
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PGH wrote:
1. Tent campers will limit the seasons you will want to go out. Although some have A/C and heat, none are insulated well for extreme heat or cold and all are poor for rain and wind. My folks had a Coleman tent camper that really was limited to dry weather. It will keep you dry, but the fabric will mold or get musty if not properly dried after a wet trip.


Well never owning a pop-up, thanks for info. That sucks, but makes sense.

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2. Few toy haulers are designed to carry two side by sides. If you go with an open deck, you can side load two on an 8' wide by 12' long deck. Enclosed space will require a minimum of 18' to park both inline. Today, it is hard to find toy haulers with open floor plans (no dedicated garage) since spouses typically have a disdain for fuel smells in the living space. Most toy haulers have 72-78" clearance due to the rear loft bed.


Yea, that Fleetwood Scorpion may hold 2 buggies sideways then. But see #1, I'll be cold, hot, wet or windy. LOL And I'm finding many of the enclosed haulers are closer to 72" height, and far fewer are at the 78" height, at least out there on the used market, which eliminates them from even loading 1 rzr without a bunch of hassle.

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4. If you want an enclosed unit, expect to be looking at 32' trailers or 38' fifth wheels to get sufficient garage space. Forget about towing a typical fifth wheel larger than 34' if your truck is SRW (Single Rear Wheel) or if it has fiberglass sides. We did find 38-40' fifth wheels that were aluminum chassis and frame that came in around 10,000 lbs empty that are based on car haulers or horse trailers with living quarters.


Well, my diesel truck is dually, has gooseneck hookups if need be, but I really didn't want to get something that big, at that size storage in my suburban home becomes an issue.

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5. Although not legal in my state, have you considered double towing? You could go with short conventional fifth wheel that has a beefy frame followed by a 8x16 over the wheel flat bed that holds both vehicles plus grill or spare wheels. Steelbilly used this type of setup when he went to the national bash.


Yea, I did consider this. Double towing is legal in TX as long as you stay within total length < 65 feet. This may be my most cost effective solution because I already have a 8.5 x 18 foot flatbed trailer that will easily fit Joyner + RZR already. But I wonder what would happen if you traveled outside my state w/this rig into other states??? I may be limited on where I can go, right? Plus backing... geeezzz, that's basically impossible, right?

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7. Snow Tiger has a large flat bed with a tent trailer mounted to the front. This setup can be done with a gooseneck or bumper pull trailer chassis.


Any pic's of his rig floating around here ? But then again, see #1, I'll be hot, wet, cold, or at mercy of wind. LOL

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8. Take a look at my thread in search of my current setup to see if it helps you: want-a-new-hauler-t31590.html


Yea, I'll look at your setup again. I remember looking at it casually before, but I'll go back through it again.

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Pete, you really need to be a little more organized and detailed in your responses. :D

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You can put one of the sxs in the bed and one inside your Toyhauler ......I put 2 quads on my quad carrier in the bed and my buggy in the trailer with my sons lt80 quad .... I know what you mean about the height being a problem .....I cut my roll cage down for mine to fit.....but my rear bunk is fixed in place .....find a Toyhauler with electric beds that can go up and down .....here's a pic of my setup ...Goodluck


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Yeah, for 2 sxs your going to have to look at a set up like Pete's if storage at your house is an issue. I think his set up pretty cost effective also with different types of living areas at different prices. Your only other option is a monstrosity like mine at 40 feet with no partition between garage and living area. There are some older models to be found cheap and you could customize for your needs if your wanting another project lol.

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Weekend trips bring up a whole new set of issues not yet mentioned. Water, power and waste. Most of the time you will be dry camping, which means you will need a generator. You will learn real quickly about how fast you can go thru water. Most haulers have 100 gal. tanks for a reason. And don't even get me started on how fast a small sewage tank will fill up. Toyhaulers will also usually come with a fueling station for your toys. 25 gals is the standard. ALL of these things are much better if your trailer has them, rather than you having to take care of them individually.

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You can put one of the sxs in the bed and one inside your Toyhauler ......I put 2 quads on my quad carrier in the bed and my buggy in the trailer with my sons lt80 quad .... I know what you mean about the height being a problem .....I cut my roll cage down for mine to fit.....but my rear bunk is fixed in place .....find a Toyhauler with electric beds that can go up and down .....here's a pic of my setup ...Goodluck


Thanks for posting up a pic.

Is that a short bed ?

My truck is long bed, my RZR MAY fit, I'm concerned about the width, I haven't tried it yet. I like your carrier, that's pretty cool, leaves you room underneath to put stuff in your bed still.

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Yeah, for 2 sxs your going to have to look at a set up like Pete's if storage at your house is an issue. I think his set up pretty cost effective also with different types of living areas at different prices. Your only other option is a monstrosity like mine at 40 feet with no partition between garage and living area. There are some older models to be found cheap and you could customize for your needs if your wanting another project lol.


Yea, a setup like Pete's may be most cost effective being that I already have a flat bed trailer.

Pete, are you able to stand up in yours? I can't imagine being able to stand up in one, but I've never seen one like PGH in person. I like how it's removable so I don't lose my truck function when/if needed.

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Weekend trips bring up a whole new set of issues not yet mentioned. Water, power and waste. Most of the time you will be dry camping, which means you will need a generator. You will learn real quickly about how fast you can go thru water. Most haulers have 100 gal. tanks for a reason. And don't even get me started on how fast a small sewage tank will fill up. Toyhaulers will also usually come with a fueling station for your toys. 25 gals is the standard. ALL of these things are much better if your trailer has them, rather than you having to take care of them individually.


Yea, this process I can tell is not going to have easy affordable solutions.

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The problem w/Pete's setup is COST. It's going to be near impossible to find one like that on used market that fits my F250 long bed, and that I like.

BUT -

Travel trailers are a dime a dozen.

So if I picked up a small travel trailer, I could do a double tow rig and be out of pocket the least amount of money since I already have a trailer for 2 buggies.

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Yea, I did consider this. Double towing is legal in TX as long as you stay within total length < 65 feet. This may be my most cost effective solution because I already have a 8.5 x 18 foot flatbed trailer that will easily fit Joyner + RZR already. But I wonder what would happen if you traveled outside my state w/this rig into other states??? I may be limited on where I can go, right? Plus backing... geeezzz, that's basically impossible, right?

I don't have any pictures of Steelbilly or Snowtiger with their setups. Here are a couple of links to give you an idea of state laws concerning RV's and towing. In general your driver's license rights in your state will get reciprocal rights in others, but the rig setup has to be within limits of the visiting state to be allowed to be operated. Be aware that many states require an endorsement on your license to to tow over a certain weight or length and any questions should be sent the local state DOT since laws are constantly changing. Make sure any questions you ask are referenced as recreational vehicle use since commercial licensing laws are more stringent.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/02/st ... e-tow.html

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm

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Pete, are you able to stand up in yours? I can't imagine being able to stand up in one, but I've never seen one like PGH in person. I like how it's removable so I don't lose my truck function when/if needed.

Ours is tall since I am over 6' tall and didn't want to hunch over when showering (this eliminated many models from my selection). The cab over sleeper section is tall enough to sit up in bed and read or watch TV.

A truck camper with enclosed trailer setup like mine will be over $40k new once you add miscellaneous costs like air bags, tie downs and heavier hitch to your truck. I also spent the $$$ for load range H tires and rims since I have a SRW rig and want avoid tire/wheel failure when pushing the limits of my capacities. You can get a stripped down camper for around $20k (Wolf Creek) and may be happy, but some concessions may be spouse driven...

A new fifth wheel or gooseneck that can haul two UTV's with living space will set you back $50-60K and will not be as versatile or maneuverable. It will give you better capacities, easier access to living space (I have a 4' climb just to get to the door and must also climb another 3' to get to bed), and more living space (ours has a full queen sized mattress, but only 10'x9' to house the kitchen, bath and living room).


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A truck camper with enclosed trailer setup like mine will be over $40k

A new fifth wheel or gooseneck that can haul two UTV's with living space will set you back $50-60K


:shock:

HOLY SH#(#$#(*&$

Naa, that's too much for me. I'm looking to invest another $8,000 to $10,000 at most. I'm not interesting in financing for toys, that's just me, so I got to keep the budget down.

Well... I think given all this, my Pop-Up Scorpion is looking better !!! LOL OR a double tow rig w/small travel trailer, I think I could pick up a small travel trailer for $8k or so.


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This setup here looks very functional. If I had 5th wheel setup with something like this it would be perfect.

But good luck finding this??? I guess this would be classified as redneck hauler ??


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I considered something like this, but it rains 2/3 of the year here and there is little security if left unattended. I would need to box the entire underside of the deck to haul all the tools parts and outdoor gear just to keep from ruining them. When I had my bumper pull toy hauler, I was able to lock everything up in a cab high contractor canopy. The enclosed trailer also allows me to store essentials inside and keep more room open in the house garage.


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