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Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Choke enricher assembly
Hey guys,
So I am subject of my assembly not working, when buggy is on, it does not get hot, tested the yellow wire that powers it from the generator (stator), it has a reading of 3.5-4ma.....however I am still not convinced, I touched the yellow wire against the power relay, and immediately was getting warm, and started to extend......
Question is, if it's just an element that heats up, and causes needle to expand to shut off extra fuel passage when warming up buggy, I take it stays like that until you shut buggy off, then it retracts until ready to start again, so is there any wrong doing by splicing the yellow wire into my key accessory? So as to have it run off my battery, rather then my stator...?
Here is a pic of my wiring diagram, I know a lot of manuels don't apply to these Chinese units, however I have traced them back, and it is correct.......
thanx guys,
Josh

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Author:  BEEFKING69 [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Theres a resistor that prevents it from being over powered but im not sure if that would need to be in the line the way your wanting to do it or not. I always just cut a piece of gasket material and cover the holes then bolt the bypass back on because ive never had anything but problems with them.
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
I believe the resister is inside the auto bypass, correct me if I'm wrong, I have the place to splice in, just don't want to do it, if it harms it, although I can't see that....
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Yeah,
When tracing the wire loom, I did not see any resisters in line with the by-pass, that's not to say they/it isn't there, the yellow wire normally ties into the back of the stator plug and shares 1 of the 3 yellow wires going into that plug, the wire it shares has a little 4" pigtail comming out the rear plug, to allow the bullet connector to connect.....point is, I guess there is a reason it's powered by the stator, rather then 12v? 🤔
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Wow! I feel like an idiot, ok, by resister, you mean the little metal rectangular 5ohm one that's in the diagram that completely shows the enricher's connected too.....😖,
I will tell you this, the wire is connected to the screw that grounds the resister, but in wiring diagram, it looks different, is that correct? If so, I guess I better use an ohm meter, and start testing connections.....But, in theory, if I kept everything as is, and connected to 12v power with the yellow wire off of enricher, then the resister would still be connected where it's supposed to be, so does that mean it's safe to do so.......??
Thanx
Author:  BEEFKING69 [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
I would think so and worst case scenario it dies and you have to spen 5 bucks on another one.
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Ok, so here's the low down.....
Bench tested 5 ohm resister, getting a reading off 5.3, so that's good.......
My choke enricher had a resistance of 8.2, which seemed a little on the lower side.....
Picked up new carb/enricher ($28), that came in at post office, new enricher had a reading of 9.4, so a little better, put a 35p in new carb, and 132m,
Good news, when all hooked up and started, it idled very good, no dying......had the enricher set-up hooked up the way it is from the factory, had buggy running for about 15-20min idling, plenty of time to adjust, so basically, when you rev it after warmed up, the idle hangs abit, it will come down eventually, but every time is different, also after warmed up, it will idle down for a second, then idle back up.......
Correct me if wrong, but I think I may have done to many changes at once, and perhaps left the 38p in the new carb, rather then go to a 35p......To me it sounds lean, what do you guys think????
didn't even need to touch the idle screw, it's backed out from the factory in the same position, and I have the a/f screw at roughly 1.75 turns out from light seat....
Author:  Sockman [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
I've had an erratic idle from an aftermarket CDI before. Not sure that's your problem, but if you have your stocker, that might at least rule that out.
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Thanx Ron,
And yes, I have the stocker on there, I only upgraded the coil to the big orange one from buggypartsnw.....
I remember my orange HH not liking the yellow perf. CDI's for some reason???? So I opted to keep the stock one on this one.....
Just to give an update,
I swapped out the 35p, to a 38p, the HH still started nice, and idled nice, once warmed up, I hit the throttle, and the revs come down good now, however when warm the idle blips down every 5 seconds or so, then back to where it was before the blip, it's not like it's going to die out, but is noticable.....My new enricher still does not appear to be getting warm when running, however it must be working, cause the idle does come down some after running for 5 min or so.......
I took the elbow off my intake, and clamped the UNI straight onto the carb, and it actually improved a little, the blip wasn't as noticeable.....
Could my valves possibly be out of adjustment to cause this???
Also, the job of the enricher is to extend, and stay extended during operation of the buggy to keep that air/fuel passage way closed, correct?
Cause if so, I am very tempted to just supply 12v power to the yellow wire on the enricher........like beef says, they are cheap, and my other one off the carb I swapped out today bench tested good with 12v......
If the resister is still hooked up as normal, it should do its job....I think?
All n all, the buggy idles very smooth now, I am very impressed with this $28 carb! It's identical to ours, and comes with enricher, when putting the jets in, I noticed it has the plastic float, so no adjusting tab for extra/less fuel in bowl, as the tab is plastic, and fused with the float....
What do you guys think??
Thanx
Josh
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Does your guys enrichment plugs get pretty hot when running? Or no......

I could take my spare, and hook up to the circuit, while buggy runs with the disconnected one seated in the carb, that should buy me enough running time to see the one hooked up outside the carb to see if it's extending or not....

If it does not extend, what does that mean? Does that mean my stator could be bad? Can someone tell me how to check for the ac power between the stator, and the enricher? while buggy running of course,....I'm really not good with multimeters.....

If it is an element that stays on, could a resister be put inline of a 12v lead going to it? Just to dial it down to say 8v or so?
If you guys have expierience with resisters that will accomplish this? Names of them/pics/stores would be awesome!! This way, it helps not burn it out, if 12v is to high......
Thanx, Again.......☺️
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Update:
So I unplugged the enricher that is in the carb, and plugged in my spare, started the buggy, and watched the needle.........
I am very happy to report the needle started extending, with very minimal heat on the back of the boot, I was ecstatic! Worried something may have been wrong with my stator......
It runs great, couldn't be happier, so if you have a spare enricher, you can test, with one in carb unplugged, and plug other one in, and hold in your hand......this should verify if wiring has gone south on you, and if never hurts having a spare enricher on hand.....
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Oh yeah, can someone tell me, why use iridium plugs, as opposed to a regular plug???
Do they burn better? Please explain?

Thanx josh
Author:  BEEFKING69 [ Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Good testing on the choke stuff there and my 250ss actually has very irractic idles like some times its borderline engagement rpm and then sometimes its so low that it pure lopes like v8 with a super aggressive cam....But i drive it anyway because i got tired of working on it and not riding it lol. On the plugs i believe they burn hotter but dont last as long as a regular copper plug but ive always run them in my 150s and the hammerhead. On the 150s i could notice an improvment in idle and the whole rpm range but have noticed no difference in the hammerhead but that may be because its not idleing right to begin with.
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Thanx Beef,
In what you are describing as your idle....I very much agree!! As that was exactly mine......I to thought it sounded like a lumpy cam was in there, when I put my new carb on, I took the bowl off original carb on HH, as well as new carb to swap jets, when I did this I noticed a tiny passage way that was for the enricher circuit fuel passage, the hole is very tiny, like your pilot jet, maybe smaller......when I saw this on the new carb, I looked at my original, and could not see through it, as well black!! Not clear shiny metal....I didn't even know there was a " jet " there on old carb......
It's just off to the side of the pilot jet, a little cavern, maybe try plunging a BBQ scrapper wire through there, and blast with carb clean/air, and see what happens!
I cleaned my carb over and over again, but didn't even know that enricher passage was there, cause of all the crap in it, I bet that could be your issue as well.......
Josh.....
Author:  Sockman [ Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Canadian Bacon wrote:
Oh yeah, can someone tell me, why use iridium plugs, as opposed to a regular plug???
Do they burn better? Please explain?

Thanx josh


I've run them and I don't know that it gives you any "seat of the pants" change in performance. I think I even tried to index the plug so that the spark side was pointing towards the intake valve. Probably a waste of time and money, but that's what we do around here sometimes! :D

All that said, I do run an iridium plug once I'm dialed in. I use the other standard plugs to get my readings. Not really sure why.
Author:  Ghosthunter [ Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Hi Iridium plugs are suppose to last a lot longer.Use to have Chevy V8 speced Iridium plugs,suppose to last 100000 miles.If you are looking for performance E3 has much larger kernal and better combustion burn.Problem with E3,they do not make in all heat ranges.Ghost
Author:  Canadian Bacon [ Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Thanx a lot guys....
I ask this because I thought iridium were for much newer fuel injected engines, as it has a tiny precise spark for computer monitored perfect fuel shots everytime, where as we have a large amount of fuel. Being thrown at the plug, so I thought the original NGK plug that produces a bigger diode would ignite better in our systems.....I would think the fuel hitting an iridium plug in our systems might blow out the tiny spark, lol
Author:  Ghosthunter [ Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
From what i read,iridium is the hardest electrode in a spark plug.They are suppose to out last even platinum.I have always had good luck with NKG,the tuner, turbo guys next door to me are using E3.They say so far they work the best.Ghost
Author:  BEEFKING69 [ Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Choke enricher assembly
Canadian Bacon wrote:
Thanx Beef,
In what you are describing as your idle....I very much agree!! As that was exactly mine......I to thought it sounded like a lumpy cam was in there, when I put my new carb on, I took the bowl off original carb on HH, as well as new carb to swap jets, when I did this I noticed a tiny passage way that was for the enricher circuit fuel passage, the hole is very tiny, like your pilot jet, maybe smaller......when I saw this on the new carb, I looked at my original, and could not see through it, as well black!! Not clear shiny metal....I didn't even know there was a " jet " there on old carb......
It's just off to the side of the pilot jet, a little cavern, maybe try plunging a BBQ scrapper wire through there, and blast with carb clean/air, and see what happens!
I cleaned my carb over and over again, but didn't even know that enricher passage was there, cause of all the crap in it, I bet that could be your issue as well.......
Josh.....

Ill probaly take it off and check that and also run it through the ultrasonic cleaner.
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